Agiles Still The Best Value "les Paul" Out There?

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Agiles still the best value "Les Paul" out there?

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  1. JAMES SCHAFFNER

    JAMES SCHAFFNER Well-Known Member

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    I was looking through the currently slim AL-3100 offerings on Rondo and started thinking about how the market has changed over the last 5 to 10 years. Specs are still impressive on the Agiles but the playing field has changed a lot. Epiphone has seemed to upped their game in quality control over the last several years along with introducing the Pro series pickups that most people agree are really nice pickups. Agile prices have crept up a bit while there seems to be more affordable Gibsons on the used market(may be just my perception). There's a ton of other factors and variables going on as well. So the question I had was do you think Agile is still the best value in a Les Paul today?
     
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    JAMES SCHAFFNER Well-Known Member

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    I'm going to say, "yes."

    I haven't done an exhaustive research of the various brands, offerings, etc. but I feel like Agile still offers crazy value and options for the money.

    Find another value like an AL3200. Neck through, ebony board, contours, etc. Nobody else offers anything like that AFAIK.

    And it's not just the 3200 - I feel like all the different models can easily hold their own.

    I agree that Epiphone has upped their game, but aside from headstock and horn I'd take an Agile over one any time.

    But that's just me. YMMV.
     
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    I think a good way of approaching this question is to ask yourself, "If I was going to buy a new Les Paul type guitar with all the features of an AL-3XXX, and it had to be something other than an Agile, what would it cost?"

    I agree that the market has changed in the last five or so years, but at this moment I still don't see anything out there equivalent to a new Agile at a comparable price.
     
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    I'm going to say, "no."
    Ya gotta understand that I don't swim in that pool, not being a fan of Les Paul style guitars.
    But my impression certainly is that quality & selection (at Rondo) are down while prices are up
    over the past 10 to 15 years.
    Not sure about other brands but Epiphone seems to have done nothing but improve over the same timeframe.
     
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    Just to clarify. I am not saying no to that question. I think they do still offer the best value spec for spec. I was just wondering if the consensus wasn't as cut and dry anymore.
     
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    Agiles are good if you like those specs!

    I've developed a snobbery for less bling and less finish.
     
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    Yeah, but you don't mean by that nitro instead of poly, right? :)
     
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    I'm picky about little silly things. I do like the "legit" LP shape better on the Epiphone but the fact that they use that fake pearloid inlay crap really irks me when Agile is able to offer real pearl inlays for half price.
     
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    JAMES SCHAFFNER Well-Known Member

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    To be fair though, how much do you have to spend to get real pearl from Gibson as well?
     
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    A Gibson Les Paul is the the best Les Paul in my book. And you can find some great values on them out there if you do some legwork.
     
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    Hehe. Yes I do love my #1 with no finish at all, just bare paint and tape.

    I also ordered a BWG custom LP special in nitro.
     
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    Epiphone also has the more carved top. Agiles have been getting flatter and flatter topped. It's also the top carve that makes a Les Paul imho.
     
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    Yeah that's precisely my point. It irks me that Agile can offer something on a $300-400 guitar that Gibson can't offer on a $2,000 guitar (or per my original point, Epiphone on a $600-700 one).
     
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    I agree. To a lesser extent Fender pisses me off with their gate keeping when it comes to finishes. I get that it's a way to protect their higher end stuff but it's infuriating.
     
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    I used to be in the general consensus on this forum and think the AL2000's were the best bang for your buck guitar out there. But now I really believe it's the 3200. For a neck thru LP with all the features the 3200 has, you would be looking at a Gibson Axcess which runs about $4000. I've looked at newer Epi's and they are pretty good, they just don't compare to the 3200.

    Only problem is that the 3200 has been out of stock for quite some time.
     
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    The lack of character in the Agile carved top bothered me even back in 2012.
     
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    I voted "no" but only because it seems to me that the waters are a lot muddier than they were 10+ years ago. The volume of small companies, contracting small batches of guitars, seems to have dramatically increased in that time. I can't attest to current production, but i am surprised to hear that the carved tops are not up to par these days. And then there's the used market which seems over saturated. I think the last Agile i bought was nearly 10+ years ago at this point.
     
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    Based on my experience, while the gap might be shrinking a bit (more from others getting better, not necessarily Agiles getting worse), the cost to build quality ratio of current Agiles in both the 2500 and 3000 series is still the best out there....
     
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    From day to day maybe not but overall yes. Assuming similar qc and playability and tone. I'm lucky to find 2 epi's that I find really good looking. And at double the price. On a bad day it seems I find 5 agiles that I could fall in love with.
    And ebony is a nice add on just to piss on epi's shoes.
    How is it epi doesn't just buy up Kurtz factories production, adjust the horn, head and label , charge $100 more and own musical earth.
     
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