Gaping F Holes

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  1. Hoser

    Hoser Well-Known Member

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    I see Kurt has one new AS-820 in, looks the same as usual, I hope some day he gets more of the 820 or 1000 in with p90s. In the past the one factor that has kept me from pulling the trigger is the size of the F Holes on this model. They just looks way too wide and oversized for this guitar. Does anyone else feel this way? I have never seen one in person but the pics always look like gaping f holes. I love semi hollow guitars and these always get great reviews, great specs too but they F Holes just look massive to me. Your thoughts?
     
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    Mickey Gandalf the Intonationer

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    The bigger the F-holes, the easier to replace pickups & pots in a semi-hollow. :)
    The F-holes are really no different in size compared to an ES-335.
    Methinks they look large to you is because it is a much smaller body than an ES-335.
    I love my 820 & 1000. :)

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    What do you men the body is smaller than a 335? thought they were about the same.
     

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    Mickey Gandalf the Intonationer

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    Yes, the body is closer to a Les Paul size than an ES-335 size.
     
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    that would be the as-2000 which is the same size as a es 339 the 820 and the 1000 are the same size as a 335, correct?
     
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    ok, a Gibson es 335 is 16.5 at widest point. The es-820 is 15 1/4 and the as-2000 is 14 1/8. The f holes on the 2000 look the right size. So I see what you are saying, but the f holes just don't look right on the es 820
     

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  7. Mickey

    Mickey Gandalf the Intonationer

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    Whatever.
    I've not measured them but they look fine in person.
    The guitar is the exact same size as my Gretsch 5622T (they are an exact fit for each other's cases.)
    Here's a pic of them side by side.

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    In the pic below the guitar on the left is an Agile AS-820 before they were downsized, it is exactly the same size as an ES-335.
    The guitar on the right is the same as the new ones today.

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    Looking at the pic you posted and eyeball-comparing it to my Epi 335, the f holes on the Agile do appear to be about 7% larger.

    Agile LP copies used to look strange to me, but now that I've been looking at them for a few months (and own one that I love) any other LP shape (incl. Gibson) looks abnormal to me. I bet you'd experience the same phenomenon.

    Count me in the camp that sees this as a major functional benefit; access to components would be greatly improved.
     
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    Maybe a tiny bit bigger than what is "standard", but that's a good thing (see @Mickey 's comment about replacing pickups above). If you ever want to change out the stock pickups, you're in for a HUGE pain in the ass with smaller F-holes.

    I scored an AS1000 with Harpmaster P90s from GC recently for $250+ship, absolutely amazing guitar. Keep an eye on Reverb, GC, etc...they do pop up.

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    I was in a town in the P-Pines that had rather relaxed rules about ladies offering services...

    I told her that she was way too small for me. "Big Girls. big pussy! Little girl ALL pussy" was, I believe, her well-reasoned retort.
    As has been mentioned, negotiating small holes is sometimes far more difficult than large ones.
     
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    Those bigger f holes will be much better for pot, switch, pickup replacements.
    The As 2000 are so thin you need to deal only in mini-pots. I've done complete parts replacements on the 2 AS-2000s I own.
    Its like trying to set the time on your watch while its up your butt.
    Aggravatingly cramped space. IMO.
     
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    The AS-1000 (with its better stock parts) appeals to me most for this reason. Semi-hollows should be what you want when you buy them, IMO, to spare yourself unnecessary frustration or expense.
     
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    from some other places this guy I know visits 'gaping' seems to be kind of thing for some folks these days. not me though,, no sirreee
     
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    The bigger the F-holes, the more the merrier?
     
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    Any recommendations?
    (Asking for a friend...)
     
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    Good opinion.
    However, you can spend 5 times the money to get a Gibson CS336 ( similar to the AS-2000 build, and different from ES 335/339 construction build) ). Or take an AS-2000 and mod it...with aggravation, to suit your tonal taste in the same vain as a CS336.
    Thats what i choose. Still will do one more operation on one of them.

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    I think the f-holes look fine on those AS models, esp considering the size of the guitars.

    I did think the f-holes on my AS73 were a tad wide tho. Great guitar, regardless.
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    Oddly enough I watched an adult video by the same name as the thread title last night :)
    I'm kidding. It was last weekend.
     
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    GAPING F-HOLES BATMAN!
     
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