Showrooming

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  1. Mossman

    Mossman Well-Known Member

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    As I found myself wondering if the Guitar Center in Sherman Oaks (the 'flagship' store of the San Fernando Valley) will have a VM Telecaster Custom there for me to try out, I was reminded of the term 'showrooming'. I haven't really seen it mentioned here, but on other guitar and bass forums - where there's more of a tendency for certain people to admonish the practices of virtual strangers, for their own edification - it seems to be a more frequent topic of conversation.

    I haven't even thought about it in a long time, since this is pretty much the only forum I spend time on anymore, but I thought it might be interesting to get everybody's take on the subject.

    For those who are unfamiliar with the term; 'Showrooming' is when you go to a guitar store, without any intention to buy, for the sole purpose of trying out a guitar. Then buying the guitar elsewhere (usually online, where you can get a better deal).

    I do this all the time, and I'm not ashamed of it... I'm not a big fan of buying a guitar without playing one first, and the only way I can do that is to go to a Guitar Center or a Sam Ash...

    Sorry, but that's where the guitars are... If there were another way for me to try out guitars, I'd be all for it! Because I hate trying out guitars at Guitar Center and Sam Ash! (especially the Sam Ash closest to me... I can't play more than three chords in that store without a salesman trying to chat me up).

    I reject the notion that because I played a guitar that I liked in a store, that I'm somehow obligated to buy the dinged up, shop-worn example at that store, and pay too much money.

    Don't ever mention on a 'normal' guitar forum that you tried out a guitar at GC, then found one for a killer deal on ebay... Guaranteed, some self-righteous defender of capitalism will ride up on his high-horse to shame you for being the source of GC's financial woes (and the woes of brick-and-mortar guitar retailers everywhere!).

    Then there are those who will tell you that if you play a guitar at a guitar store, you should feel compelled to buy something... anything.... to compensate for the privilege of touching their merchandise.. I roundly reject that notion too!

    Guitar Center gets plenty of my money. I've bought two guitars and two amps (used) there in just the last two years... Not to mention strings, straps, gadgets and other peripheral accessories. I don't owe Guitar Center a damn thing, and I'm certainly not going to buy a set of strings, or pack of picks that I don't need because I noodled on one of their guitars for twenty minutes.

    Some people don't seem to mind throwing money away, and think you shouldn't either. Or they think that we should all cow-tow to our corporate overlords and always have their best interests at heart. Because after all, we are ultimately responsible for their success, right? :ROFLMAO:

    I'm sorry, but I can't afford to shrug off paying $50 or $70 more for. guitar, when I know I can get a better deal online. Guitar Center is responsible for their own success or failure. Whatever financial struggles the big box stores are going through, they did not come as a result of me playing a guitar in their store, and then buying it from Sweetwater, or somewhere else.

    In fact, if GC would negotiate with me on prices, the way that Sweetwater does, then maybe I'd buy more guitars there. Maybe if GC would give me a discount on a scratched, dinged up, floor model, I'd buy more guitars there. Maybe if GC had more of what I wanted in stock then I'd buy more guitars there.

    Oh yeah, and 'showrooming' didn't kill the mom and pop guitar stores either... Guitar Center did!

    Ok, rant over... what do y'all think?
     
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  2. PsychoCid

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    I think that's normal.

    Stores are for trying things.

    The internet is for buying things.

    And also for porn, can't forget about that.
     
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    Sounds like you go on some unfriendly forums. Sadly, they're all too easy to find.
    i vote with my wallet. If the store has something i want, fine, i pay for it, everyone's happy. If not, why should i spend anything? i wear a size 28 9r 29 waist jeans; which are a royal pain to find anywhere anymore. Everybody's getting fat 'cept me, it seems. Should i be expected to buy 'something' for searching in vain for what i need?
    UH, HELL NO...
     
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    Great googley moogley...everybody calls me slim but even I can't fit into 29s.

    Not since I was in elementary school.
     
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    I have 30" waist 30" length. That's a pain the ass to find. I actually think 29" waist would fit me, but it's hard enough finding 30". When I do find 30" waist the length is usually way too long for me (because if you're skinny, you must be tall, too, right?).
     
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    I'd recommend not "trying" porn at the store..... Just Sayin' :)
     
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    Haha!! (y)
     
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    play a guitar at a guitar store...what a novel concept, too bad they never have anything I can play.
     
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    Never done it because I've always bought used and almost always from private sellers.
     
  10. Mossman

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    Go over to Talkbass some time. Tsk-tsk'ing and finger wagging are pastimes for some people over there.

    It's like a contingency, more than specific individuals. You just know you can expect somebody to come along and say something derogatory when another member mentions trying a bass in a store, and buying it online.

    These are the same people who will accuse you of taking advantage of the seller, if you post about a great score you got in a private sale. Once one person breaks that ice, then others start picking up stones... saying you should go back to the seller and give them more money! Otherwise, you're a scumbag.

    God forbid if it's an estate sale, and you paid the asking price... If you didn't immediately offer a couple hundred more than the guitar was worth, then you're a villain. Like you cheated an old widow out of her mortgage payment, and the bank is foreclosing!

    No one's ever done that to me. But I've seen lots of other people fall prey to the holier than thou forumites.
     
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    What? They have entire stores built for that exclusive purpose.

    Especially in the Pacific Northwest. Drive down the freeway and see porn shop, porn shop, porn shop...

    Down here in southern California we just have strip clubs.
     
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    I kind of understand the criticism and buy into it somewhat but I also do as you do. But I do feel a little guilty. But I also buy from gc so hopefully it evens out. Gc says they now do Internet price matching. They did it for my lp on an amazon closeout. As far as dinged guitars they would rather sell you the new one in the box so that isnt a reason. If it were the last one and worn I think they still discount for that.
    Also if gc was 20 or $30 more but the guitar was there, looked good and played well why take the chance on shipping or a turd for just a few bucks plus having to weight. When it's 2 or $300 + more then sure, go for it. But like I said, they price match now.
     
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    I visited a locally owned shop last week during my work travels. Talked to the owner for quite a while, nice guy. They had a lot Michael Kelly stuff in there and some American G&L guitars as well. I was looking at a pretty nice used PRS se standard 245. Asked him how much and he told me $450...I can buy a new one right now online at most retailers for $429. I was paying for the convenience of having it right now he told me. I passed. Everything else in the store was at full retail and he wasn't interested in negotiating, at least not with me anyway. I guess my question is, What is my incentive to pay full retail for something? Why not go with the best offer I can find?
     
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    I thought the internet killed porn shops?
     
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    Why feel guilty? What do you need to "even out"?. This is what I mean... You don't owe Guitar Center anything. This is supposedly a free market society. If Guitar Center can't be competitive, then that's their fault, not ours. We shouldn't take pity on them and feel compelled to throw them a bone.

    It's a megalithic corporation for fuck's sake!

    Do you feel guilty when you drink a Pepsi instead of a Coke? Do you feel like you need to make it up to Coke somehow?

    (I don't even drink soda, and I thought that was a funny analogy! :D)

    If GC is doing price-matching, then good for them. Glad to hear it and I'll keep it in mind for future purchases.

    Every single time I see a battered guitar that I'm interested in buying, I ask if they have any more in inventory, and not once have they ever had more than what was on the wall. And I'm talking GCs all over the country. I was beginning to think that all the guitars they have are on the walls... And still, can never get a scratch 'n dent discount.
     
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    Don't forget, you're also paying tax at GC. That's another big deterrent for me. Even if GC price-matches, you're still paying more.
     
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    So THAT'S why your forearms are so big!
     
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    The Glory Holes on the internet are only virtual.......
     
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    Convenience.... Yeah, that explains why a gallon of milk costs a dollar and eighteen cents more at a 7 eleven than at your local grocery store... You can't apply that to guitars! (I'm chuckling incredulously as I type this... really!).

    This is not a fucking situation of convenience... :ROFLMAO:

    Yes, it's so much more convenient for me to buy this guitar for more money from you, than it is to wait 2 to 7 days for it, because I'm a big impatient freakin' infant!
     
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    If Rondo had a well stocked store, I'd find some excuse for renting a van, traveling to it, spending all day in it, and bringing home a load of fun.

    I avoid Guitar Center, they treat an old gray haired man like a turd in there. Hurts my ears, and raises my blood pressure. I can get most anything I might go in there for from Amazon Prime in a couple of days, including strings and picks.

    The only brick and mortar store I find fun to shop in any more is Harbor Freight, the Rondo Music of the tool world. They cater to old grey haired men with coupons for free flashlights and the like. But they don't update their lines much, and there's rarely anything new in there so there's no need to visit regularly.

    I have to admit, I enjoy shopping for groceries, which normal people find weird. Amazon Foods ain't getting my business in that category.
     
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    You'd think that.

    Except in the PNW.
     

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