Anyone Interested In A Songcraft Experiment?

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  1. tvvoodoo

    tvvoodoo Well-Known Member AGF Registered Dealer

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    I have been rehearsing a song I wrote over the last week or so, lyrics and music.

    Trouble is, while the music is ... uh, OKAY?, it kind of seems like maybe it doesn't really fit the song as well as it might should, tone/themewise. I can be a little quirky like that too. It's part of what makes my songs my own, and probably not near as good as they could be :ROFLMAO:

    I don't know if I'm a better lyricist, or composer, (or much good at either to tell the honest truth), but I enjoy the challenge and like the idea of growing my continuing catalog of crappy songs nobody will ever hear.

    In my experience... there seem to be a lot of players out there who....

    A. Are veritable fountains of lyrics/ poetry, but have trouble coming up with catchy riffs or arranging things musically.

    B. Are virtual riff factories, but dread the lyrics writing part, can't seem to think of anything much worth writing about. (My skilled cover band musician brother is like this). Or,
    C... a little (or a lot) of both, or are easy and skilled collaborators either way.


    I propose a little experiment regarding this and wonder if anyone is interested in taking part.... If I was to post up lyrics, would any AGF members willing to take a crack at coming up with their own simple chords/arrangement for the song and put up a video, or soundcloud, so we could marvel at it in awe, or whatever. There could be small changes to the song, whatever, but in the interest of a controlled experiment, keep most of the lyrics and flow. I'll add in later my simple original composition, which will surely pale against the musical power we have on-board this community... But it's not about judging, it's about exploring.

    Once that's done and we laugh, dissect, discuss, etc... then I, or anyone else, can throw a video up of of a general riff /chorus, bridge thing musically, then we go again to see what kind of lyrics any participants might add to that.

    I think it would be fun, and kind of revealing about our methods/process, maybe we could learn about ourselves as songwriters along the way - there would not really be any tight time line, lets say a couple months or so to get an arrangement in for the first portion of the experiment. Or is that too long?

    If you are interested, let me know below. If we can get at least 3 members to participate, I will move forward and post the lyrics. Not looking for highly produced work, simple arrangements a la what a singer/songwriter would do. You can if you want, not going to hold you back, your choice, but I maybe simple and stripped down is better.

    Anyone have thoughts, want to try?
     
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  2. tvvoodoo

    tvvoodoo Well-Known Member AGF Registered Dealer

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    What’s your time frame? I might be interested. Sounds like a cool idea
     

  4. tvvoodoo

    tvvoodoo Well-Known Member AGF Registered Dealer

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    I say at least a month for the first round... maybe two if required. Too much longer and it's a drag out.
     
  5. Stig

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    Post it. See what happens!
     
  6. Spike

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    I would like to give it a try. I can't wait to see your creative lyrics. It will be another excellent excuse to spend some extra time playing!
     
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    tvvoodoo Well-Known Member AGF Registered Dealer

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    Ok it's rather topical, maybe could span a number of genres?

    Bears no relationship to my own personal life, but... I know someone in a situation.
    I figured it would be an interesting interpersonal relationship to explore.
    ______________________________________________________________

    Me Too...

    V1
    Your conscience is clouded with darkness
    Each day seems like an another ordeal.
    Can’t hardly live, can’t forget or forgive,
    Shame pain and blame is all that you feel.

    Ch1
    Memories unravel, the hard roads we travel
    I understand you’re feelin’ blue
    But your past so full of violence
    Now fills our nights with silence
    If you feel you can’t go on..... Well, me too

    V2
    Some victims don’t know when they become vampires
    Stumble along in a fog so thick they can’t see.
    Ohhh wielding their life, just like it’s a knife,
    Twisting the blade to create more wounds that can’t heal

    CH2
    Sharp bits of gravel, on this rough road we travel
    Time I unloaded my own little burden on you,
    Don’t take this for not caring
    But all this weight you’re sharing
    You’re praying for an end..... Well, me too

    BR
    If you want me to stay, you can’t push me away
    It’s time you came to terms with your trauma
    As your leading man, I just can’t stand,
    This never-ending psychological drama

    V3
    Toyed with and used for power and pleasure
    You’re not the same girl, it’s a new world, don’t you see?
    That terrible taste, I can help you erase
    If you open your heart to love again, here with me

    Ch3
    Memories unravel, down hard roads we travel
    I understand you’re feeling blue
    It’s not that I’m not caring,
    ‘Bout a heavy load you’re bearing
    But you gotta stop and shed it off, and me too
    If we can’t turn this around, we’ll be through
    You need some hope so you can cope, well, me too
    ___________________________________________________________

    not super happy with how it ends, but all songs are a work in progress ain't they?
    Who's gonna give it a try?
     
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    Sounds like a lot of fun @tvvoodoo

    IMO, the hardest part of songwriting is the melody. I think we (I) can do guitar riffs all day, but it’s the melody that’s the hardest part, and a lot of times guitar parts to a great melody are really rudimentary.
     
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    This is interesting, Brad @tvvoodoo .

    I would like to participate/contribute somehow, but can´t be sure. I haven´t grabbed the guitar since I posted my original song video about 6 weeks ago, actually.

    Should I come up with something, will post it here. I´m intrigued as to what your original melody/music is. The theme doesn`t suggest a happy melody IMHO. Deep lyrics, by the way.

    Regardless of my contribution or not, I´d like to follow the development of your song, if that´s ok with you.:thumbsup:
     
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  10. tvvoodoo

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    All are welcome to participate. I'm pretty sure this sort of excercise is VERY healthy for personal musical development if you care about that... Especially if it makes us work outside our comfort zone.

    I won't be revealing the musical flavour of my own chord structure, but it's not super dark, really.
     
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    Good idea this. I just tried noodling to those words for fun to see how they scan/flow.

    The lyrics are definitely a great first draft. My initial sense is that the verses are too short for the choruses. I can hear 'Well me too' as kind of a refrain being repeated three or four times. And I'm not sure I would vary the choruses as much as you do.

    Also - I would throw in some specifics (can be fictional of course) - placenames, dates, descriptions....I find those details help bring a song to life and make it more evocative. More real almost.
     
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  12. tvvoodoo

    tvvoodoo Well-Known Member AGF Registered Dealer

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    I was going to say "Just have your way with 'er" but then realized the dark comedy that would be.

    But really, mod away to your liking... This is just a fun, challenging experiment!
     
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    I dig it. Dark but real. Im not an artist, more in the fluffy campfire realm. But am giving this a go with whatever time i can carve out. Thanks for sharing!
     
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    @tvvoodoo

    well done with those lyrics Brad - I mean that. Wish I felt I could participate, but I do not. I do look forward to hearing where folks go with this.
     
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    I appreciate that! Very kind! Spent a good portion of my recently-halted media career as advertising script/copywriter and working journalist. I believe I can still turn an okay phrase when I set my mind to it.

    For me lyrics come easier than the melody, music arranging part. In my process I rarely write the whole set of lyrics before the arrangement chord structure... I usually write a couple lines, then come up with a bit, a verse or chorus riff, keep expanding as I go. Shoehorn a bridge in, rearrange the verses for flow, fine tune, tweak etc... To me we have to tell story, a slice of life, a little 4 minute movie as it were.

    I am really looking for the next jam, working to put my words to someone else's riffs. It's gonna be awesome or a total disaster!
     
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    general visibility for potential songwriters bump

     
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    I'm definitely option B, but that's mainly because I'm not a good vocalist and a lot of lyrics I do start writing feels to emo or revealing to want to share.

    I'm gonna take a crack at this.
     
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    Okay. So in a single evening, I put this together. It's obviously not perfect; the mix needs some attention, the guitar solo is sloppy, and mostly I'm not an actual singer, but I'm proud that I was able to put this together in a little over 6 hours straight of working on it.

    I also took some liberty with lyrics to make it flow better. I did drop a few F-bombs, so you've been warned?

     
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  19. tvvoodoo

    tvvoodoo Well-Known Member AGF Registered Dealer

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    That is super cool RYW with the semi postpunk feel, and I agree, in six hours that is fairly a musical miracle.
    The great thing about it to me is you really honed up the sharp edge to it that I felt when I was writing it, but I just don't have the
    anger in my vox or musical ability to express adequately. And on pure FURY alone, I give it 8.5 stars!

    particularly love the breakdown going into the bridge.

    Wow!!!
    [​IMG]

    WAY different than mine, but that is what will to make this a very interesting exercise/experiment.
    The interpretation.
     
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    Thanks! I'm gonna work on the polka version tonight :wink:
     

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