Best Guitar Player With The Worst Tone?

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  1. PsychoCid

    PsychoCid Well-Known Member

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    I think that was Jimi.
     
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    Drugs are bad, mmkay.
     
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    Jimi? JIMI!!?
    Where the hell is a moderator when you need him?
    ;)
     
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    Hey, I like Jimi, but sometimes his tone confounds me.
    Besides, taste is subjective. There are people who think Kurt Cobain was a great guitarist.
     
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    Great artist I can see.

    I'd like to see one person who thinks he's a great guitarist. Not saying that person doesn't exist, but it they do I wonder if a simple dictionary would change their mind.
     
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    I've talked to a very few people who actually think he was a great guitarist.
    I like Nirvana, but Dave Grohl and Krist Novoselic were, by far, the best instrumentalists in that band. I do agree that Kurt was a great artist. I personally liked the way he could convey anguish through his vocals.
    Now, the people I've met who believed that are a good bit younger than the majority of us on this board. Hell, I've heard a couple of them say that Billy Joe Armstrong is a great guitarist.
    The only thing I can figure is that, compared to some of the other guitarists they grew up listening to, they compare very favorably.
     
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    80s, early 90s shredders all had bad tone, gratingly sharp with loads of delay.

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    I can't help but notice that I haven't seen David Gilmour listed here.
    Hmmmmm, I wonder? ;)
     
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    Era of hot pickups. Wrong place for the gain to come from, IMO. Lower output pups + hot amp/chain = retains clarity and woodiness a la earlier Van Halen.
     
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    Surprisingly, one of the most prominent shredders from that time, Malmsteen, favored really low output pups for that reason.

    I actually installed his pickup in my strat and wondered what the heck was going on with the huge volume drop.

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    I agree with your general point, though there are some exceptions. This tune was recorded in the 80s by a shredder. The solo at 2:40 is one of the most amazing lead tones I've ever heard.

     
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    Yeah I have his album hehe

    He has a ton of emotion tho and really knows how to get every bit with those notes so it sounds very musical.

    With the others it sounds more like sheer speed and tricks.

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    Yeah, I know what you mean. I almost feel guilty calling him a "shredder," because he was so much more. He truly did have that kind of chops though. Speed didn't come off like a gimmick when Moore used it. He'd do those crazy flourishes, then reign it in with an amazing melodic line while killing you with the vibrato.

    But I think we can both agree that he had chops to spare, with incredible tone, and in so being was the exception that proves the rule you're asserting: Shredders in the 80s had mostly bad tone.
     
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    For that matter, Mustaine and Poland on Killing Is My Business. Of course, that's what happens when you spend most of the recording budget on drugs.
     
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    Gary Moore wasn't an 80's guy he was just playing in the 80's. He was from the 70's. Or even a bit earlier. Schenker was also a 70's guy and his tone mostly stayed like that during the 80's also. The bands tone and the music around them will mostly suck but their playing and tone is still very 70's to me.
     
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    I never knew Gary Moore played guitar!!!

     
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    True, Gary absolutely had one foot way back in the 60s with the blues playing of Clapton, Peter Green, BB, and so on, but he embraced the evolution of technical guitar playing as it moved into the 80s. Corridors of Power is a much celebrated 80s album with some insane shredding on it.

    Schenker is technically brilliant, though not what you'd call a shredder. Gary was a blues shredder, but only when he wanted to be.

    Both did seem to more or less maintain their tones from the 70s into the 80s, not falling in with the JB into a Marshall JCM800 crowd.

    Gary smack dab in the middle of his 80s rock MTV phase. Sure, it's a little awkward to watch now, with the none too subtle oiling up the shaft imagery at 2:24 . . . but damn, what monstrous tone and terrifying technique.

     
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    I first became aware of Gary Moore thanks to a British TV show for kids called "Rock School."



    I had no idea who he was, but he sure seemed to know what he was doing, he was willing to share it, and he was clearly really good.

    According to an interview I read, when Dana Strum was hired to be Ozzy's bass player, Ozzy insisted that Gary Moore was going to be his guitar player, and Dana called him something along the lines of "the fastest, most blazing lead guitar player" he had ever seen.
     
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    Jimi with bad tone....I’m still confused o_O
     
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    The Octavia is throwing notes in there, if you've ever used one it makes you change the way you play. No bad tone but some bad recordings.
     

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