Did A P90 Mag Swap.....oh Lawd!!!!

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  1. Manodano

    Manodano Well-Known Member Supporting Member

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    Direct me to some magnets - I want in on the fun.
     
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    www.ebay.com !
     
  3. Hoser

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    I got mine off ebay from a guy in Philadelpia, had them here in two days. I think the two sets cost we 16 including shipping.
     

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    Yeah, I'm with you. Above V, I could hear a slight "grainyness" to the sound, but it was all pretty subtle, and probably nothing you'd ever notice in a full band context.
     
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    Almost nobody can hear the difference between A2 and A5 in a band context. I mean, most of us here with relatively trained ears would probably guess wrong at least half the time.
     
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    So, I wonder what improvements A2 or A5 magnets would make in Ibanez Powersound pickups.
    I kinda like how they do distortion, but they don't do clean at all.
    I also wonder what difference they would make in Agile P90s and humbuckers.
     
  8. nomadh

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    I like my callisto jr p90s. Would I really be that much more impressed with A2 or A3? I wonder.
     
  9. PsychoCid

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    You will hear a definite difference. If you're playing with a band in a bar, no one else will hear it. But sitting at home in your room it's gonna be a pretty obvious difference.

    P90s are the ideal testing ground to because the magnets are so quick and easy to swap. If you don't like it, swap em back!
     
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    exactly, P90s are the place to start, super easy to swap. The difference between the a2 and the ceramic stock mags was vastly different.
     
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    I also have a pair of squier custom II tele (iirc) p90s with A5 (supposedly) I liked my SX p90s so much I never bothered to put them in. Reports are the squiers arent as well liked generally. they are duncan designed. Seems they should be decent too.
    Although these guys seemed to like them
    https://www.seymourduncan.com/forum...2-Pickups-with-Alnico-5-Magnets-(Neck-Bridge)
    How do I even tell if these are the DD, if they came out of a squier custom or if they have A5?
    Is it true the p90s all have 2 mags per pup? And you can have different combos per pup?
     
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    Hoser Well-Known Member

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    yes, p90s have two mags, and you can combine various mags in one pick up, you can put an a2 and a5 for example. The ceramic mags look darker to me, a dark gray/black and the Alinco look for silver, they come rough cut or smooth as well. Lots of different combinations with mags that you can do. A few google searches should give you more info that you will ever need. changing mags is fool proof
     
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    The hard part of P-90 magnet swap is polarity. Get a compass or a magnet you have labeled correctly with North and South. Opposites attract, so the 'arrow' side of the compass will point to the south pole (long edge) of the bar magnet. Put a mark on the 'North' edge of each bar magnet.

    Before you take your P-90 apart, see if the polepiece attracts (South pole) or repels (North pole) the 'arrow' of the compass.

    Here is the part most people get wrong with P-90's:
    - Install your magnets facing each other with a repelling edge to the pole piece. For example, if you have North pole, you'll face the north edge of the bar magnet facing into the pole pieces which pass through the keeper bar.

    I've repaired a few that the person had the magnets attracting each other, which makes the polepiece neutral or weak.

    If your really want to get fancy on a two P-90 guitar, make one P-90 north and one south and reverse the leads on one of them. The 'both on' pickup selection will be hum cancelling and a little bouncier.
     
  14. PsychoCid

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    Yeah I think I had a humbucking middle set up. But the A4 magnets I swapped in were so bland I'd have preferred non-humbucking to retain some highs. It's good to have options!

    I sold the guitar before I got this far but yeah....I'd really love to try out mixing magnet types in the same pickup. I think you'll get a different sound with each position too...like A2 top A5 bottom vs A5 top A2 bottom same pickup.
     
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    Thanks, I'm adding this to my project list...
     
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    I put A2 in the stock ceramic magnet pickups in my @2005 AS73, dont recall which stock Ibanez pickup it is.
    Much smoother, fuller (more presence / upper mids maybe?) much more "musical".

    I use the compass method as well and have swapped several sets of P90 magnets from ceramics to A2 or A5.
    Super simple and quick.

    All made a big difference, mostly for the better.
    I have had meh pickups become a bit less meh but yeah, still meh.

    So far have gotten all my magnets from Phila. Luthier, but I am in NJ and shipping is usually cheap.
    I think they do ebay as well.


    https://www.philadelphialuthiertools.com/bar-magnets/
     
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    I am really attracted to this thread!!
     
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    You've convinced me to try a magnet swap on my Agile P90. I almost never play that one because the pickups are very mehhhhhhh.
    I listened to the video several times with my headphones, and I preferred the A3 and A5 magnets. To no surprise, I prefer A3 and A5 in all the guitars I own, too.
     
  20. PsychoCid

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    Yaaay. I'd love to hear your experiments, particularly A3.
     

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