Gilmour Seven Way Wiring Finally Completed!!

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    as many of you know, I finally built and completed my Strat project. I did the Gilmour seven way wiring which isn’t working exactly right. The diagram I used shows all of the pickups wired traditionally. I was forwarded a different schematic that showed the bridge pickup needed to be wired in reverse (white to ground, Black to selector). Would this cause the mini toggle to not function corrctly(neck is always on except in middle position)? Also, the tone pots don’t seems to have much effect on tone. I’ve check the wiring several times and the bridge not being reversed is the only error I can find. What do you folks think? Oh, and the middle pup is really/rp in case that has an effect on things. Thanks!
     
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    Thanks all, it’s amazing how many different ways there are to do this. The switch I used is just a simple two prong on/off mini toggle and the five way switch has the same lug layout as in the diagram. It’s one of the few parts I used from the old pickguard.
     
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    dabbler Well-Known Member Supporting Member+ Gold Supporting Member

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    But is your 5 way configured like a Stew mac switch or like an Oak switch? Really you need to look at that link.
     
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    Here’s a picture of my switch

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    Neither, it looks like the CRL switch layout.
     
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    Maybe it’s the original Fender switch...
     
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    The only thing I see you can do with a added mini toggle is to add a pickup to the positions that it is not there.
     
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    For an easy '7-way,' wire the bridge with the ground & hot wire where they normally go. Run an additional wire from the hot wire on the switch for that pup, to the mini switch. Run a wire from the other terminal of that mini switch back to the selector switch tab with the hot wire that goes to the outside lug of the pot.

    Note: no matter how fancy you get with other ways of doing this, you'll never make the 'neck' + 'bridge' hum cancel, because you'd have to revers the magnet polarity on the fly (I don't think anyone has conquered how to do this with single coils yet).

    My method will allow you to bring in the bridge pickup in any ot the 5 selections. It results in '7' combinations: the first 5, 'all on' when the mini is 'on' and the selector is in position #4 and 'tele' mode (bridge + neck) in position #5 (normally neck only). Positions #1 & #2 are not affected, because you already have the bridge pup in on those selections.
     
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    Finally got around to fixing the wiring. Just for future reference for anyone searching this topic:

    This works...
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    This DOES NOT...
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    Now that I finally have it the way I wanted and intended I thought I’d say a few words about the Gilmour mod(7 way switching). There is a very noticeable change in tone when the mini toggle is activated bringing in the neck pickup, and I LIKE IT! I haven’t used Orange Drop caps before and they seem to provide a very useable range of tones(I opted for the .047s rather than the more common .022s) because there are times I like to get darker than the 22s will allow. Top end seems to be unchanged with all the sparkle and chime I would ever want and then some. Overall this mod is very useful. I don’t know if it’s the novelty or what but so far my favorit positions are bridge with neck engaged and all three engaged. There’s a thickness to the sound you just don’t get from a single coil Strat but yet an expressiveness that you don’t typically find in humbuckers. Not to say HBs can’t be expressive but my opinion and ears tell me single coils are more vocally expressive. Anyway, I’m happy it’s finally right and hope others may learn from my experience and maybe try this themselves, I think most would like it since it doesn’t take anything away, it just gives more! Oh, and I opted not to use the treble bleed.
     
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    dragonfire or tnt guitars has these pickguards, I did this one, still have it . Gives you 7 way switching. switch on pickup on- all 3 , neck bridge , all ways you can think of. Next one I do is going to have a 4th switch for out of Phase. Love this guitar as it has Harpmaster vintage 54's in it.

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    Almost exactly as I suggested, except I said you could switch in the bridge vs. the neck pup. Either way gets the job done!
     
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    Yep yep!! Thanks to all of you for your input!
     
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    That’s sweet! Gotta love having as much flexibility as is available!!
     

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