Guitar Tuning, Can You Hear The Difference?

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Can you hear the difference?

  1. Yes

  2. No

  3. Wha-chu-talkin-bout Willis?

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  1. Mickey

    Mickey Gandalf the Intonationer

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    I can't but I'll bet some can.

     
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    Mossman Well-Known Member

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    I can hear a difference and I'm having a hard time describing exactly what it is... I found the 'Taylor Tuning' to be a little off-putting. Maybe that's because my brain isn't used to hearing it. The guitar in standard tuning seemed to have more depth and sparkle... The Taylor tuned guitar sounded very even, and consistent across the strings, but it seemed less dynamic. Kinda like a flat EQ. Neither sounded 'bad' or 'wrong'. It was very subtle.
     
  3. Narsh

    Narsh Well-Known Member

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    The only way I could describe it was human vs robotic. A440 isn't perfect but neither are we.
     

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    JAMES SCHAFFNER Well-Known Member

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    That's the same thing I'm hearing as well.
     
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    LessPawl Well-Known Member Supporting Member+ Gold Supporting Member

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    Mickey, I voted no. The difference is so subtle to my ears, I hardly noticed at all. I am so dialed into just plain old standard tuning now, the only time I really hear a difference is if someone is really using a very different tuning from standard. I'm thrilled to be able just to identify standard tuning by ear. 3 years ago I needed a tuner every time I picked up a guitar. These days, unless it's way outta tune, i can dial it in pretty quickly with just my ear. For me, that's HUGE progress. Cool video, thanks for sharing.
     
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    uwmcscott AGF Survivor Champ

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    My ears can’t tell.
     
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  7. Mossman

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    Yeah, that's a good way of putting it. Another thing that comes to mind is; the Taylor tuning felt kind of... confined. I think that was the feeling that was off-putting to me. Like the sound just got constrained a little when it switched to the Taylor tuned guitar.

    I will not be adopting this... I do like 432 tuning though, but I always go back to 440. Mostly because you can't play along with recordings... Or other people, in 432. :smile:
     
  8. SKYDAWG

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    I hear it. I liked the Taylor tuning. Gonna give it a try.
    Almost sounds like playing with a compressor.
     
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    I really can't hear it.

    This tuning method is right up there with Buzz Feitin method, fanned frets, compensated nuts, etc. I have 23 guitars with standard nuts and bridges. Two are iffy with intonation. So 21 guitars with dead-on intonation. Even my PRS McCarty, which has a compensated wrap tailpiece. I personally believe the hyper measures to achieve ultimate intonation is unicorn droppings for a well set up electric guitar.

    My ears have been sensitive to intonation since the 80's (in-tonal children's choirs or bands irritate me - was tough with my kids growing up with early school concerts). I have any inequities of the instrument with my fretting and vibrato techniques, which were guided by my ears.

    One last rant, in all the popular bands I was in - I had a rule. We all tuned to the same index. Before tuners: the same piano or the same guitar. The advent of tuners: live sessions - start with the same tuner and recording sessions - always use the same tuner. Many people did it this way and it sounded great.

    I think these tuning methods could help those who's instruments and fingering techniques cannot overcome the intonation limitations. Say like James Taylor playing an old Martin with an uncompensated saddle and nut, 11's and high action. Maybe this works for him.
     
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    I can't hear it, which isn't surprising, since I suffer from substantial hearing loss and tinnitus. I used to play with a guitarist that had the Buzz Feiten system. It sounded fine when he was playing alone, but with other non-Feiten instruments, especially the keyboard, it sounded a bit off.
     
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    I replied no but wasn't sure. IMHO it just complicates the tuning process and takes away from the playing. In the middle of a song...wait stop...I am 2 cents off!!!!
     
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  12. Mickey

    Mickey Gandalf the Intonationer

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    Having listened to it two or three times, I'm beginning to think the regular tuning version sounds brighter
    or the "Taylor Tuning" version sounds blander.
     
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    I really don't think about it that much. After watching the video, I still don't.
     
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    I thought the standard sounded richer, the Taylor a bit sterile.
    Maybe overtones spangle more if a little scatter shot vs lined up too perfectly.
     
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    The Taylor tuning sounded a little brighter to me.
     
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    For me its not enough of a difference to mess with. I can listen to it twice and not get the same answer.
     
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    Something sounds wrong with the Taylor tuning. The notes lose their bloom and boom. But the tone of the acoustic guitar still sounds good and Woody.

    I bet everyone who says they can't hear a difference could easily hear it if the comparison was done with their favorite song. It's harder to hear the differences with music you're less familiar with.

    I love my guitar though. As @Mossman pointed out, it seemed COMPLETELY out of tune when he touched it. I mean, it caused distress on his face and he couldn't wait to put it down. Then I picked it up and played again, and it was perfectly in tune.

    It's like a bicycle only I can ride... You have to have the right touch pressure, or it will go out of tune. :)

    Also, my B string IS out of tune. It stays flat a few cents. Because that way it goes IN tune for most of the guitar. Whereas in real tuning, having an in-tune B string really makes it out of tune 75% of the time.
     
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    However James tuned up it's all good by me....

     
  19. Mossman

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    Ha! Yeah, didn't that guitar have scalloped frets, or jumbo frets, or something?
     
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    Yeah XJ frets, basically amounting to a scalloped feel. Mmmmmm....no friction....
     
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