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  1. thomas.kropelnic

    thomas.kropelnic Member

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    Howdy all
    So I got a project I'm getting going on and it's a risky one for me. I received a 12 string from my brother after he passed a couple years ago. I replaced the strings and made obvious repairs as needed. Upon putting tension on it. It wants to collapse into its self I'm thinking I need to re steam it any one done this thanks. I may be a knock off but still ! a7dd840d32f0514bbf0b9f99b2b98373.jpg 2934046ff40840c618ca71138b96d7c1.jpg f20f35711b343065d5c2ed8142afee0d.jpg 6fc3cdac9df76579773ac9129a4b35d2.jpg

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    Bump for Frontpage Luthiers.
     
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    Truthfully...it's a beautiful guitar. But I can offer no help in repair. (Sorry)
     
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    I put one of those Bridge Doctor doodads in my 12 string because it seemed to be developing a slight belly and i worried It would get worse. It did make the guitar a little less loud. I can’t see your pictures for some reason so am not sure how bad it is.


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    Flatline Well-Known Member

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    I’d look for a luthier that can help rather that a diy job.
     
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    The problem is that guitar is worth a couple hundred bucks at most...a neck reset is maybe closer to $400 or $500 bucks
     
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    I have a bridge Doctor in a 67 J45. Def helped the bowing.
     
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    A cheap Asian 12-string tends to self destruct in the general manner you are describing. Don't invest a lot in it. I think I'd start by tuning it down to D instead of E. Your description of the problem is not very detailed and the pictures aren't really showing us much, so this is hard to diagnose. Bridge pulling up? Neck coming unglued? Top cracking? Neck bowed? Could be a number of things, all of them structural and potentially catastrophic.

    Another idea if you can't part with it for sentimental reasons: string it up with a light gauge six string set, and maybe still tune it down to D.
     
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    Or.. Polish it up and mount it in the wall next to a picture of a Byrd's album .. People will think you have the 12 string heard in many Byrd's hits
     
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    Does it affect the sound?
     
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    What are you hoping to accomplish with steaming?

    The issue is gonna be the bracing, or lack of. There's a lot of tension/pressure with a 12 string & those old guitars weren't built like the current stuff is.

    Take it to a luthier & get an estimate. My teacher does this all day, but he also forewarns often that it might not be worth it. He's very affordable too, but the fix is pretty labor intensive.
     
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    I don't think a Bridge Dr will help with that type of bridge. When you say it wants to collapse when you put tension on the strings, exactly what do you mean? I've rescued LOTS of guitars like yours that other luthiers have written of as lost causes or have quoted costs far exceeding the value of the guitar. Shoot me a PM if you'd like to visit.
     
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    Can confirm @stormin1155 does EXCELLENT work for a VERY fair price
     
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    Well, it wasn't almost unplayable before the bridge dr., so I couldn't really do a true comparison. I had someone who had played a shit-ton more guitars than I ever have or will and he said it sounds like a J45 should, so there is that.
     
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    Thanks for the response all sorry for the late response.
    As far as wanted to collapse into it self . When tension is on It the neck pulls into the cut creating a bad ripple in the cutout approx 1/8 deformation at the highest point
    The neck it self is strait minor separation from the body on back .
    I honstly only tune it up 2 or 3 times a year otherwise its stored in drop c lol

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    I got som super light strings on it now

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    That is pretty cool! My '49 ES125 is sinking a bit at the bridge, but it is an archtop. That system is probably too big to put into an F-hole and fish around to the correct position.
     
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    Movement like that when you increase string tension suggests some structural failure (as opposed to gradual deforming which is a normal part of the aging process). It could be any number of things.... a loose or broken brace, broken neck block, neck joint... hard to say....
     
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    That is a headache I would wish upon no one.
     

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