Discussion in 'What's left to Talk About?' started by Partscaster, May 14, 2019.
Not from China!
No, I realise that; aluminum cans are a matter of national security!
How could we fend off space pirates without aluminum cans?
Couldn't we use foil instead ?
Which is more effective for this purpose, tin or aluminum foil?
Copper is best. I'm making a helmet out of pennies.
Don't forget to pick up a cervical neck brace....
Silver is a better conductor than copper, aluminum is lighter. I would pick one of those.
What? You don't like heavy metals, or other toxins, in your beer? Blapheme!!
Have you ever had Chinese beer? It has to taste good enough to swallow before the contaminants are even a concern, and, well, it doesn’t!
Unfortunately, no. I don't think most people (including and especially Trump) understand the long-term affect of tariffs, nor does he understand the economy OR how trade works. Because we actually do have a global economy, we'll see a domino effect where industries that were never considered in the original tariffs are affected. The immediate consequences of what Trump has done is effectively producing a huge tax HIKE on the American people without the consent of Congress. It's worth noting that the last time tariffs of this level were enacted, we went into a major recession and economic shutdown. There was never a need to balance trade levels between the two countries; this is the most rudimentary and least-understood stat; it's just something to wave at his base.
It would certainly slow down our race to fill every last trash dump.
Free trade and fair trade are fine and if you lose a market you lose it but isnt China doing everything but fair and free trade? Dont you think at some point we have to say follow the rules or we will just mirror chinas closed protectionist trade policies.
The real issue hasn't been free trade as much as it has been their abuse of intellectual property agreements. Gotta remember that patent/trademark/copyright is *very* new to China (they didn't have it before Nixon arrived and they still observe it mostly in the breach today) compared to European and US (1790 in the US).
On the other hand, their level of IP abuse is nothing compared to that of large western corporations (particularly drug/pharma companies), who use it in the other direction, as an economic club. We've all seen the $2000 pills that are $8 in AUS talked about in the last few days, and we know that they modify the formulation very slightly to get themselves another 20 years of patent protection. We know that they pay generic production companies to NOT produce pills so that the extremely expensive name brand is the only one available. That's abuse, and not how the patent system was intended to work. And then there's Disney, who paid millions to lobbyists (and to lawmakers) to extend copyright *far* beyond what was intended (up to 120 years!) just so that they wouldn't see Mickey Mouse drop into the public domain. Follow the money.
Copyright/trademark/patents are monopolies and were very limited in length to encourage invention, etc., during the industrial revolution in Europe/US. It was never an inalienable right and the same people who argued FOR IP protections argued AGAINST term extensions. Billions of Chinese were never exposed to or proponents of it. And most US manufacturers grit their teeth and allow Chinese observance of those agreements to be sieve-like in exchange for the very cheap production they enjoy.
The US can't afford to mirror what China does. The issues that Midwest farmers face weren't of China's making and are far more complicated than either the farmers or the current White House understands. In fact, most farmers have essentially been working off one or more government subsidies since WWII and politicians play them like puppets, as do large corporations like Monsanto. China isn't and never was the culprit. Mostly it's a political distraction ("look over here!") and the bleeding takes place elsewhere.
I'd ask what you're smoking, d, but coming from Hollywood I'm already familiar with that Kool aid. That mentality has been killing people for decades now.
California is a financial disaster, and unless you've stayed in your ivory tower you may have noticed the homeless population is growing hand over fist. The only thing really going for it was the ports and borders being used for drug and child trafficking, however that's being squeezed out as we speak.
Fair trade and free trade is always the answer. Free markets are NOT unregulated markets (as most people misunderstand). An under OR over-regulated market cannot move easily and thus cannot be free. A market powered by debt-based & manipulated currency values can never be free.
Now taking bets on whether the current US regime takes down The Fed if re-elected to a second term. Remember, everyone who tried to issue real money (dollar bills, not dollar notes...check your pocket for the proof) was either assassinated or attempted assassinated. Literally I mean, but character assassinated as well.
Edit: Fortunely, the world is waking up. England, France, Sweden, Germany, Australia are all going through major political shifts. Many of the old regimes are being kicked out. Call them bankers, call them the deep state, call them the mafia, call them the illuminati if it floats your boat. They won't give in without a fight, of course. Hence the political distractions and fake war threats. Gee, just like history...how funny that it repeats itself.
Interesting times, we live in. The winds...they are a changin... power back to the people.
Your politics are blinding you to the very real problems with China. It’s not just trade imbalances, technology transfer/theft, currency manipulation, decimating our manufacturing capacity also matter.
I have. Once. I'll stick with Tacate.
i'm having a Tecate right now. i like it.
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