Rare Sighting...agile 4000 Up On Reverb

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  1. gasman

    gasman Well-Known Member

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    dearlpitts Well-Known Member Supporting Member

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    Didn't even know 4000 existed
     
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    Very nice, though the words, "Small finish crack on headstock" makes me nervous. There are actually two cracks. This guitar took a tumble.

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  4. Mickey

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    There never were many. I've wondered if Kurt got a few just to test the market.
    It was the most expensive AL up to that time.
     
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    Wow, first I've heard or seen.
    Interesting, looks like good build quality but I wonder what it weighs.
     
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    The flame top 4000 was my favorite Agile that I never had. I think they were 499 and came with Duncans.

    Me thinks $569 for this guitar with headstock cracks is overpriced by a couple hundred, at least
     
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    The price isn't bad at all considering the upgraded caps, jack, and pickups. Especially for a rare Agile with that build quality.
     
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    Gotta respectfully disagree with you doc, this seller is in dreamland with that price. The upgrades on the used market are not worth very much at all and he's trying to get almost $700 for an Agile with two huge finish cracks on the headstock.

    In fact, here is the same exact guitar (you can tell by the two finish cracks) that sold a few years ago for $460 (probably less w/ an offer accepted given the condition), and the previous owner says it took a spill and the fretboard unglued from the neck:

    https://reverb.com/item/3126287-agile-4000-les-paul-copy-humbucker-mini-humbucker-w-hardcase

    So no offense to @gasman for sharing as we always appreciate that, but I'd probably stay a good distance away from this one.
     
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    :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

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    Great detective work!

    11lbs 8 oz, bet the strap broke.
     
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    4000 lbs, hence the model number.
     
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    Yeah, great detective work. Either this seller is ignorant of the ridiculously low resale value Agiles already have, or he is not exactly honest. No one on their right mind would pay that kind of money, expecially with the damage.
     
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    I am almost positive this guitar has been sighted here before and the same issues were present. A 4000 is basically a 3500 with upgraded electronics and hardware. And a 3500 is basically just a 3000 without the veneer. So from an "Agile History" standpoint it's certainly rare, but from a functional standpoint it's not all that different. And with the headstock crack and fretboard separation, I wouldn't touch it with a 10-foot pole. Forget the fact that he seller is not fully disclosing the problem either.

    Edit - this was the thread last time it was for sale - the CL ad is gone and the photos further down the thread aren't the guitar in question. But it was for sale with the same damage back in 2016. So maybe the neck is stable....
    https://www.aguitarforum.com/threads/agile-4000-les-paul.92961/
     
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    Yeah the reality of the situation is that "Agile history" isn't actually really worth anything to most buyers on the used gear market. Electronics and hardware upgrades aren't worth much either (despite people seeming to think that they can get every dollar they sunk into a cheap guitar back when they sell it).
     
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    He should been @tvvoodoo Well Hung strapped and locked.
     
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    uwmcscott AGF Survivor Champ

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    Don't get me wrong - i'm one who does enjoy Agile History ;-) I don't currently own any but they were the guitar that got me back into playing, and it's been fun hanging out around this forum for several years. Granted this is not just the Agile forum anymore, but this is where a lot of Rondo fans still hang out and call home. But this particular guitar holds more of a place in the repair thread annals than the hall of fame I'm afraid - shame as it's a really nice looking guitar.

    I will likely add an AL 3XXX to my collection some day when the right one comes along. From a playability standpoint I am actually more of a fan of the 3XXX models that came a little later with the 1 11/16 nut width, so when I see the 3500/4000's or even the old 3000m's pop up I need to remind myself of the 5/8 nut from the era.

    I think the holy grail collectible Agile for me would be a PS-4000. I've seen a grand total of 2 of them in my time here on AGF.
     
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  17. slowhand84

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    I don't disagree, I love the Agile brand and have for many years really enjoyed seeing it progress, change, etc. I just meant that $-wise, you're unlikely to find anyone willing to overpay significantly for an Agile just because it's an uncommon one or a "historic" one from the good ole' days :). I always laugh at the folks who post an old horn/headstock Agile and want like $1,000 :ROFLMAO:
     
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    I had a PS-4000 and sold it a few years ago. Beautiful guitar but honestly I could never bond with it.


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    too "blah" for my tastes, poorly matched back and abologna inlays

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    Beauty! Just outta curiosity do you remember how much you got for it? Don't see many of those around, think the only one I ever saw sold went for something like $450-$500.
     
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