Your Opinion On An Al Series Double Cutaway Version?

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Would you consider buying an Agile AL series double cutaway?

  1. Yes, I'd be interested in one...

  2. Umm, I don't think so...

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  1. kirobhan

    kirobhan Well-Known Member Supporting Member

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    Um, it is symmetrical.
     
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  3. tobijohn

    tobijohn The Great Enabler Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

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    UPDATE (from earlier this afternoon):

    "Thanks John,

    I will get some samples made up with the selector switch in the Same AL position to see how that looks. As for colors, will do oceanburst as that is the most popular color now. Will also do 2TS and 2TS left just to get the project started.

    However I think it would be great to get some new colors in for the AD and AL models. The Ocean Burst Sand, 2TS Matt Flame and Purple Black and Blue / Green (new colors) all have sold very well. So I am very open to new colors. But for the factory to produce properly we will need links Jpg or tiff files. We could consider 4 or 5 new colors based on voting.


    Kurt"

    So....how does everyone feel about oceanburst and 2TS for the initial run? in my reply, I asked about tops other than flame (i.e. spalted, quilt, plain, etc). I think also, the colors that he mentions are selling well might be the ERGs...
     
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  4. Mickey

    Mickey Gandalf the Intonationer

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    Oceanburst = Not no but HELL NO!
    2TS = ok.
    Not OK but ok.
     
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  5. tobijohn

    tobijohn The Great Enabler Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

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    What about my double bound purple spalted burst with gold hardware Custom? If you were a guitar, isn't that exactly what you'd look like? :)
     
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    rsckrc91 Well-Known Member

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    I guess oceanburst and 2TS could be ok on the initial run. Getting the body shape down is (in my opinion) the key. What's funny is I don't think I've seen the same shade of oceanburst repeated. It always seems that it's different.
    Scott
     
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  7. tobijohn

    tobijohn The Great Enabler Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

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    I've noticed the same. There was one particular lot of lefty oceanburst Al-3200s that looked like they'd been left out in the sun for a few too many months. One of them is currently listed on Reverb:

    https://reverb.com/item/24062575-2015-agile-al3200mcc-ocean-burst-flame-lefty-ohsc
     
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    rsckrc91 Well-Known Member

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    Exactly, TJ.
    Some are lighter, some are darker. Some are blueish, some are greenish. That one barely has any color to it at all. That has a pretty nice top on it though.
    Scott
     
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    rsckrc91 Well-Known Member

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    Maybe it's just me, but isn't oceanburst supposed to be a darker blue on the edges that fades to a teal in the middle? Not a teal on the edges that fades to natural.
     
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    al2500mnoceanburstflame2.jpg
    This!
     

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    rsckrc91 Well-Known Member

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    Sorry about that last post.

    Not this

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    Yup, hard to tell which Oceanburst we'll get. Some of them are nice though!

    In my opinion, while similar, tobacco is much better than 2ts.

    What does he mean by purple/black/blue/green? Surely not this monstrosity:

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    mighty_duck Well-Known Member

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    Go to rondomusic.com and search fro Oceanburst. I got this:

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    IOW, we have no idea what the AD will look like. At least half of those are gawdawful to my eyes, and only a couple are really pleasing to me.
    Also, what is "Oceanburst Sand" that Kurt mentioned?
     
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    tobijohn The Great Enabler Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

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    LOL, I'm definitely going to send that to Kurt and ask which oceanburst he's referring to...
     
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    tobijohn The Great Enabler Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

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    I'm not sure about that and will ask for clarification. The purple quilt Custom Select AL-3010SE I ordered last year looked similar to that, darker in the center. It wasn't what I expected but it grew on me after a while. I don't think I'd want a second one though:

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    I'd prefer more single cut ALs, but I guess an Oceanburst double cut would be nice to see
     
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    mighty_duck Well-Known Member

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    On another thread @nomadh made this beautiful comment:
     
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    I would strongly prefer a non-burst finish.

    2TS is a hard no. Tobacco maybe but 2TS no.
    The purple and black...yeah hell no!
    Ocean burst, is most likely a no as well. I would be OK with some versions, but not some others and I would likely pass on taking the risk.

    It is not a LP and definitely not an ERG!
     
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    nomadh Well-Known Member

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    Looks like its already started with"oceanburst sand"



    But @tobijohn remind him that there is an overwhelming preference for a light natural back finish.
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    A darker richer look can also be nice
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    Just adding this on. Remember this beauty? Only problem is the back is too dark, Again.
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    ad 3000m
     
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  20. tobijohn

    tobijohn The Great Enabler Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

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    UPDATE (from earlier this morning):

    "Ok well just FYI if we are referring to colors from older Agile models, you should know that over the years we have sourced Agile guitars from a number of factories. There were at one point more than a dozen guitar factories operating our of Korea, some very large - like Cort some quite small. Nearly all of those factories have gone bankrupt or closed and moved production to China or elsewhere. So I would not count on color formula's being available. That's why we need color accurate renderings if you want specific colors."

    I asked him to provide a list of colors, finishes and tops that he's comfortable that the current source of AL-3100MCC/3200MCCs can produce (again mentioning that those are the preferable specs to the 3010SE). I also included the pic above from @mighty_duck and asked him which oceanburst he was referring to as a possible color for an initial run. I also asked him what specific info was necessary for a "color accurate rendering" that he mentioned.

    "Ok, so for the bottom row of colors in the previous email, is the color and configuration and the body appear as people want it it for the AD-2250 ? I notice this model has no TOM bridge which means there will be no lefty compensated bridge version available.""

    The above was in reference to the picture @tvvoodoo had posted of his design of the symmetrical double cutaway flat top in a dozen or so different hues. I know it's going to make some here unhappy but I told him my recommendation as far as the bridge was concerned was to just go with the TOM as Gibson had too on a number of their reissues (it used to be one pickup was a Junior, two pickups were Specials but over the years that seems to have gotten blurred).

    I'll mention the natural or darker backs in subsequent correspondence...
     

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